I'll e-mail you about the episodes. (I don't want to get bounced for linking in a public post.) Same e-mail address, right?
I've read about Y: The Last Man before: one negative review (I don't remember the specifics, although the points seemed interesting at the time) and at least one positive review. How women define and redefine themselves is definitely of interest to me; I'll look into it! I admit I've never bought a graphic novel. I have read a few from the public library and online. A friend recently recommended Carla Speed McNeil's Finder series, which is not available through my library system... a little frustrating, because everything I've read about it has been full of accolades.
I was thinking a little more about SCC fandom... about 10 percent of what gets out there is Sarah/Cameron, which interested me for the first few episodes; I think that pairing is holding steady at third place in fandom. Then, well, I don't think it's overly spoiler-y to say that as Sarah's attitude became more rather than less unrelenting toward Cameron, the pairing lost my attention. As usual, fandom did not bend to my wishes (hee!) by providing stories about Sarah and Cameron as two women in a difficult partnership, raising a rebellious teenager—a partnership in which it gradually becomes still more clear that one of the partners is (incorrigibly, and not necessarily in a positive way) alien in how she perceives human beings and her own relationship to humans and their human reactions. Which wouldn't even be the biggest emotional issue. Also, subsequent developments would probably make the pairing too uncomfortably Oedipal for me, especially given an initial setup that already tended that way. (Not that I didn't love the initial setup too, because I did!) However, in S2 I found a different relationship between two female characters fascinating, and would read stories capitalizing on the heavily implied subtext any day. Yet as I noted before, there are virtually none. Oh, SCC fandom!
There are a couple of times that stand out in my memory, with respect to SCC failing at presentations of women in fear and pain: in one episode, the strangling of a woman taking a shower; in another episode, twenty plotless minutes too many of a teenage girl crying and fleeing in horror-movie style terror. As far as I recall, the show avoids cleavage shots on either. The relatively brief shot of the woman in the shower is from the neck up and the girl is wearing loose-fitting clothing that covers her from neck to ankle.
I thought about the show some more, and there are more close-ups of Sarah looking melancholy-stoic-tragical than I indicated earlier, though I think they're mostly in early S2 and drop off to an acceptable level thereafter. And at the beginning of S2 the voiceovers go away, to reappear in only two episodes (one is okay, the other is awesome). That's a good thing, because while Sarah's voiceovers are never as stupid as Mohinder's were on Heroes, SCC's creator realized the show works better without them most of the time.
Since you're bound to notice... there's one exceptionally ludicrous instance when the basic biological science is wrong wrong wrong in a way that could totally have been avoided, and it's likely you'll also laugh at the emergency medicine in at least one episode.
This Married to the Sea comic startlingly evokes Sarah's archetypal nightmare, but with hilarity! (http://www.marriedtothesea.com/011808/same-city-different-universe.gif)
Oh, curse you, ticketsonmyself! All this talk of themes and character dynamics is downright intriguing. Now you have me wanting to watch just so I can write for this (sadly-lacking-in-femslash) fandom!
Bwee! My job is done! (And I guess Sarah/Cameron started pinging me as possibly overly incestuous—not Oedipal like I said earlier, that's the wrong gender... though Oedipal would kind of apply to a different-and-also-charming relationship, especially earlier in the show—due to other increasingly pseudo-incestuous developments that were deliberately developed on the show. I found the dynamic between Sarah and Cameron intriguing and even charming at the beginning, though! I should also—if somewhat begrudgingly—correct what I said earlier about SCC's most popular pairing, in that on the show the pairing does eventually move up from slightly weird subtext to a weird, non-teenybopper, unconventional level. I actually didn't disapprove too much of the execution of that. Not really a spoiler out of context: incestuous ribcage surgery!)
If you ever do end up writing my favorite femslash pairing that's almost nonexistent in SCC fandom, watch out! All seven [redacted pairing] fans will get the bulletin, and so will every general SCC or femslash-friendly community I know of! (Uh, but only if you want that to happen. Hee!) Be told!! (In other words, THUMBS UP for any such enterprise. Or SCC fic from you in general, if you do go for it.)
Oh, trust me, I laugh at almost every mention of emergency medicine in pop culture. Maybe it's because we've all been on an ambulance once or twice, but no one ever seems to consult with the professionals, like they do with doctors; they just assume they know exactly what happens, which is inevitably always wrong. Then again, I've heard that Terminator - the movies, anyways - are actually pretty good when it comes to details. My teacher actually used a clip from the second movie to illustrate the stages of cardiopulmonary arrest.
Maybe it's because we've all been on an ambulance once or twice, but no one ever seems to consult with the professionals, like they do with doctors; they just assume they know exactly what happens, which is inevitably always wrong.
Hee!
Then again, I've heard that Terminator - the movies, anyways - are actually pretty good when it comes to details. My teacher actually used a clip from the second movie to illustrate the stages of cardiopulmonary arrest.
I haven't seen the movies in years, but interesting! There's one particular SCC episode in which the emergency medicine, and indeed the basic biological science, struck me (and I guess everyone, judging from fan reactions) as particularly ridiculous. A transparent exchange of science for plot device!
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more rambling on SCC?
Date: 2009-04-21 12:29 am (UTC)I've read about Y: The Last Man before: one negative review (I don't remember the specifics, although the points seemed interesting at the time) and at least one positive review. How women define and redefine themselves is definitely of interest to me; I'll look into it! I admit I've never bought a graphic novel. I have read a few from the public library and online. A friend recently recommended Carla Speed McNeil's Finder series, which is not available through my library system... a little frustrating, because everything I've read about it has been full of accolades.
I was thinking a little more about SCC fandom... about 10 percent of what gets out there is Sarah/Cameron, which interested me for the first few episodes; I think that pairing is holding steady at third place in fandom. Then, well, I don't think it's overly spoiler-y to say that as Sarah's attitude became more rather than less unrelenting toward Cameron, the pairing lost my attention. As usual, fandom did not bend to my wishes (hee!) by providing stories about Sarah and Cameron as two women in a difficult partnership, raising a rebellious teenager—a partnership in which it gradually becomes still more clear that one of the partners is (incorrigibly, and not necessarily in a positive way) alien in how she perceives human beings and her own relationship to humans and their human reactions. Which wouldn't even be the biggest emotional issue. Also, subsequent developments would probably make the pairing too uncomfortably Oedipal for me, especially given an initial setup that already tended that way. (Not that I didn't love the initial setup too, because I did!) However, in S2 I found a different relationship between two female characters fascinating, and would read stories capitalizing on the heavily implied subtext any day. Yet as I noted before, there are virtually none. Oh, SCC fandom!
There are a couple of times that stand out in my memory, with respect to SCC failing at presentations of women in fear and pain: in one episode, the strangling of a woman taking a shower; in another episode, twenty plotless minutes too many of a teenage girl crying and fleeing in horror-movie style terror. As far as I recall, the show avoids cleavage shots on either. The relatively brief shot of the woman in the shower is from the neck up and the girl is wearing loose-fitting clothing that covers her from neck to ankle.
I thought about the show some more, and there are more close-ups of Sarah looking melancholy-stoic-tragical than I indicated earlier, though I think they're mostly in early S2 and drop off to an acceptable level thereafter. And at the beginning of S2 the voiceovers go away, to reappear in only two episodes (one is okay, the other is awesome). That's a good thing, because while Sarah's voiceovers are never as stupid as Mohinder's were on Heroes, SCC's creator realized the show works better without them most of the time.
Since you're bound to notice... there's one exceptionally ludicrous instance when the basic biological science is wrong wrong wrong in a way that could totally have been avoided, and it's likely you'll also laugh at the emergency medicine in at least one episode.
This Married to the Sea comic startlingly evokes Sarah's archetypal nightmare, but with hilarity! (http://www.marriedtothesea.com/011808/same-city-different-universe.gif)
Re: more rambling on SCC?
Date: 2009-04-23 10:31 pm (UTC)You evil, evil creature. ;)
Re: more rambling on SCC?
Date: 2009-04-23 11:22 pm (UTC)If you ever do end up writing my favorite femslash pairing that's almost nonexistent in SCC fandom, watch out! All seven [redacted pairing] fans will get the bulletin, and so will every general SCC or femslash-friendly community I know of! (Uh, but only if you want that to happen. Hee!) Be told!! (In other words, THUMBS UP for any such enterprise. Or SCC fic from you in general, if you do go for it.)
Re: more rambling on SCC?
Date: 2009-04-23 10:36 pm (UTC)Re: more rambling on SCC?
Date: 2009-04-23 11:37 pm (UTC)Hee!
Then again, I've heard that Terminator - the movies, anyways - are actually pretty good when it comes to details. My teacher actually used a clip from the second movie to illustrate the stages of cardiopulmonary arrest.
I haven't seen the movies in years, but interesting! There's one particular SCC episode in which the emergency medicine, and indeed the basic biological science, struck me (and I guess everyone, judging from fan reactions) as particularly ridiculous. A transparent exchange of science for plot device!