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So, the highlight of my night? Was nearly getting stuck in the middle of a gang-related mob fight that broke out. In downtown Silver Spring. At a nonviolence concert.

I have never had much sympathy for police, but man, I am starting to get why they behave like such assholes. (Hint: because everyone else is so stupid.)

Date: 2009-03-08 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ugh. That totally sucks. Glad you're okay!

Date: 2009-03-08 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Aw, thank you! It was more amusing than anything else - in a vaguely hysterical way - though it is true, it would of been a helluva lot less funny had I gotten shot, trampled, or punched in the face. As it was, though, I ended up safe and scoffing, so, yes. Good for me; not so good for my perception of the human race as a whole.
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Date: 2009-03-08 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I don't like writing about this on someone else's journal, but please check your language. The pejorative "retarded" is language that promotes bigotry, in that its use reinforces the manner in which many already think about and casually behave in discriminatory ways toward people with actual developmental disabilities, and it helps contribute to the climate in which institutionalized discrimination against and oppression of the developmentally disabled remains acceptable and flourishes. There are a lot of people with developmental disabilities who behave in civil and humane ways toward their fellow human beings and would never act with violence toward others, whereas some of the worst fear and hate-crime violence I've suffered and witnessed was perpetrated by students at an Ivy League university. And I doubt that developmentally disabled people were among those who started the violence that [ profile] vanitashaze is describing.

[ profile] vanitashaze, I'm glad that neither the police nor anyone else harmed you there, and that you got back safely!

Date: 2009-03-08 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
You are absolutely right. My apologies. I will delete my reply as I cannot edit it.
Edited Date: 2009-03-08 06:41 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-03-08 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Thank you for listening and acting to change it.

Date: 2009-03-08 04:22 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is random, but thank you for posting this! I had gotten back to Silver Spring a little while ago, and I saw a ton of police cars and people running all over the place. I haven't so far found anything except your blog posting.

Glad you're okay. Sad that some people have to ruin things for everyone else.

Date: 2009-03-08 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm glad that you're okay. In November, I managed to score tickets to the Obama rally in Grant Park on election night. I was worried that there would be a riot if Obama didn't win. When I was taking the L downtown that evening, I remember seeing a long parade of police car with riot tape of some sort on the expressway. (It's a shame that I didn't think to turn on the video feature of my camera and get footage of it). Thankfully, Obama won and there wasn't a riot.

Date: 2009-03-11 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Thank the Ori God for that!

Date: 2009-03-19 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm troubled by your comment re: fear of riots if Obama hadn't won the election—troubled enough that I looked up a (white) friend who also went to the Grant Park rally on election night, and thought about it and still wanted to reply more than a week later, heh. Restructure! (, a woman of color blogger, talks about this in a reply ( to a commenter:
Mr. Anderson,
White people would expect black people to riot if Obama didn’t win. Is this a true statement, first of all? And what are its conditions? [...]

The one critical point you’re missing in your statement is “fairly”. White people expected that black people would riot if Obama was not elected “fairly”.
Some white people expected black people to riot if Obama didn’t win, period. For example:

- Fox Radio host wonders whether blacks will riot if Obama loses (
- A white person at a racial reconciliation group asked if black people would riot if Obama didn’t win. [Ed.: page has expired.]
- Some Republican supporter made a YouTube video, asking if black people would riot if Obama lost. [Ed.: I'm not linking to this, given that I find it loathsome, but Restructure! has the link in her comment. I don't know if it's still up.]

I may be overgeneralizing from three white people, but I also heard this sentiment of white people elsewhere on the internet, but I don’t remember from where. It’s not ubiquitous, but I don’t think it’s rare, either. I guess the question is why some white people think this, what are the conditions, etc. [...]

Macon D, a white leftist, wrote:
Whites may also fear black crowds, again perhaps unconsciously, because they suspect that blacks want revenge for having suffered so long at the hands of whites. We somehow learn that if that’s true, then we’d better watch out for a group of black people with enough power over a white person to inflict that vengeance.
It seems that Macon D, at least, thinks this is true of whites. It may be his projection, but I got that impression of white people (or some white people) from somewhere even before I knew Macon D. [Ed.: all links, including the link to Macon D's post, can be found at Restructure's comment, along with a few more thoughts from Restructure! on the subject.]
I'm not linking to Macon D, because I (and Restructure!, who has spent many pixels critiquing Macon D's approach that consistently enforces white control of antiracist conversations) find a lot of his writing hinky; however, I agree that these fears of riots and racial anger tend to reflect implicitly sketchy attitudes related to race and insecurity on the part of those who are more privileged in the context of this particular axis of privilege and oppression. And that's why, although I hesitated, I felt I needed to address it.

Date: 2009-03-19 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Where did I say that I was afraid that black people in particular would riot? I'm sorry, but I was not intending to inject race into my comment. The fact of the matter is that there were 70,000 people crammed into Hutchinson Field (the ticketed part of Grant Park), and thousands more in the rest of Grant Park. In total, there were a quarter of a million people attending the rally. If you have that many people-- many of whom were fed up by Republican shenanigans for the past eight years-- packed into a small area, and then broke the bad news that their candidate didn't win, you're going to have a problem. It doesn't matter if they're black or white. Some people might get it into their heads to riot. I'm white, and personally, if I had found out that he hadn't won, I would have been sorely tempted to throw around things myself out of pure disgust. My comment had nothing to do with race and everything to do with crowd psychology.

Date: 2009-03-19 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Thanks for replying; I appreciate the clarification.


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